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		<title>By: outsidein</title>
		<link>http://blog.outside.in/2009/03/09/newspapers-should-leap-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-92262</link>
		<dc:creator>outsidein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then we DO agree!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for all of your great comments.</description>
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<p>Thanks for all of your great comments.</p>
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		<title>By: aripap</title>
		<link>http://blog.outside.in/2009/03/09/newspapers-should-leap-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-92247</link>
		<dc:creator>aripap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re actually agreeing for the most part. My point is that they can&#039;t curate and build networks if they are outsourcing their ad sales to third parties who don&#039;t have that local presence. They need to become the ad network, not outsource to it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#39;re actually agreeing for the most part. My point is that they can&#39;t curate and build networks if they are outsourcing their ad sales to third parties who don&#39;t have that local presence. They need to become the ad network, not outsource to it.</p>
<p>Ari</p>
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		<title>By: outsidein</title>
		<link>http://blog.outside.in/2009/03/09/newspapers-should-leap-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-92232</link>
		<dc:creator>outsidein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem there is that the brand value needs to change bc the paper and a lot of what it stands for today is changing whether they like it or not. (Not specifically talking about the times, per se). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Newsrooms are being cut.  In order to be relevant and scale local papers are going to have to aggregate, curate and build networks.  They can be selective networks, but they&#039;re goung to have to get bigger and compete for that inventory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem there is that the brand value needs to change bc the paper and a lot of what it stands for today is changing whether they like it or not. (Not specifically talking about the times, per se). </p>
<p>Newsrooms are being cut.  In order to be relevant and scale local papers are going to have to aggregate, curate and build networks.  They can be selective networks, but they&#39;re goung to have to get bigger and compete for that inventory.</p>
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		<title>By: aripap</title>
		<link>http://blog.outside.in/2009/03/09/newspapers-should-leap-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-92229</link>
		<dc:creator>aripap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s value to being associated with a brand like the Times. That brand value is diminished when it is a) spread across billions of low value impressions; and b) resold by low value networks using data points that are not generated or integral to the Times experience. As publishers realize this they will reduce or eliminate their use of networks and de-clutter their pages with fewer, but bigger ad units.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Along a contrary trend, they will, themselves, become ad networks. As you say, they will attempt to &quot;own&quot; the market in advertising both on and off site. They will probably also try to do their own aggregation, though they are less well positioned for this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s value to being associated with a brand like the Times. That brand value is diminished when it is a) spread across billions of low value impressions; and b) resold by low value networks using data points that are not generated or integral to the Times experience. As publishers realize this they will reduce or eliminate their use of networks and de-clutter their pages with fewer, but bigger ad units.</p>
<p>Along a contrary trend, they will, themselves, become ad networks. As you say, they will attempt to &#8220;own&#8221; the market in advertising both on and off site. They will probably also try to do their own aggregation, though they are less well positioned for this.</p>
<p>Ari</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie</title>
		<link>http://blog.outside.in/2009/03/09/newspapers-should-leap-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-92221</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t outsoude.in a parasite? without free newspaper online, your site is dead. you better help before they take you under with them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#39;t outsoude.in a parasite? without free newspaper online, your site is dead. you better help before they take you under with them</p>
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		<title>By: markjosephson</title>
		<link>http://blog.outside.in/2009/03/09/newspapers-should-leap-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-92220</link>
		<dc:creator>markjosephson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree 100%.  That&#039;s the &quot;leap&quot; I was talking about -- start innovating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree 100%.  That&#39;s the &#8220;leap&#8221; I was talking about &#8212; start innovating!</p>
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		<title>By: markjosephson</title>
		<link>http://blog.outside.in/2009/03/09/newspapers-should-leap-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-92219</link>
		<dc:creator>markjosephson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  We&#039;ve talked to some super smart people over there.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They definitely &quot;get it&quot; better than most. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If nothing else, it shows that there really is a wall between business and editorial!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  We&#39;ve talked to some super smart people over there.   </p>
<p>They definitely &#8220;get it&#8221; better than most. </p>
<p>If nothing else, it shows that there really is a wall between business and editorial!</p>
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		<title>By: markjosephson</title>
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		<dc:creator>markjosephson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aripap, i guess that&#039;s one answer for the Times.  I think the other answer is to try to own and represent ALL of the inventory in their market.  Ultimately better rates will flow to better audiences, but why wouldn&#039;t a publisher want 10x the impressions?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To a great extent, we&#039;re saying that the brand of the local newspaper needs to evolve from &quot;that printed thing with scarcity-driven advertising&quot; to &quot;the arbiter of what&#039;s important in a market -- and -- the ultimate resource for advertisers looking to reach this local audience&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aripap, i guess that&#39;s one answer for the Times.  I think the other answer is to try to own and represent ALL of the inventory in their market.  Ultimately better rates will flow to better audiences, but why wouldn&#39;t a publisher want 10x the impressions?</p>
<p>To a great extent, we&#39;re saying that the brand of the local newspaper needs to evolve from &#8220;that printed thing with scarcity-driven advertising&#8221; to &#8220;the arbiter of what&#39;s important in a market &#8212; and &#8212; the ultimate resource for advertisers looking to reach this local audience&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: markjosephson</title>
		<link>http://blog.outside.in/2009/03/09/newspapers-should-leap-not-stand/comment-page-1/#comment-92217</link>
		<dc:creator>markjosephson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great catch @sukova.  What is it about the Brits that they are always one step ahead?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great catch @sukova.  What is it about the Brits that they are always one step ahead?  <img src='http://blog.outside.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: J.A. Ginsburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.A. Ginsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit it spot on. Enough with the WSJ and Consumer Reports &quot;they pay, don&#039;t they?&quot; models. In the grand scheme of things, their subscriber bases are limited. And by restricting access to content, they limit their clout. Arguably CR is a service business altogether.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Full disclosure: I edit a small aggregator that focuses (very broadly) on health issues, humanitarian work and technology as it applies to both: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.TrackerNews.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.TrackerNews.net&lt;/a&gt;. There are some twists. Stories are not organized by category, nor is there a standard navigation bar. Rather, headlines (breaking news, research papers, blog posts, websites, book reviews, e-books - print, audio, video) are grouped together for contextual relevance. Once stories enter the site, either on the green banner bar or in the left column, they snake up and down the columns for a few days before exiting to the archives.&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a beta baby - we&#039;ll see how it works. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As aggregators go, TrackerNews is downright artisanal in its approach. Personally, it has been hugely liberating not to be tied to second-by-second datelines but driven by relevance. Most story links on Tracker haven&#039;t gotten broad play. But even if they had, the reality is that most people don&#039;t read or even see most stories. The trend has been to niche (give readers what they want) to a point of granular insularity. Tracker is an experiment in mix and match. Every story isn&#039;t for everybody, but that doesn&#039;t mean a certain level of awareness doesn&#039;t have value. And when the connections happen because of Tracker, they can actually be pretty significant. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Back the point, Tracker, like most aggregators, is delivering readers to publications, including newspapers, that might not otherwise get them. Right now, in its beta phase, there is no advertising on Tracker but so what if there was? The potential value-added is considerably more than any ad revenue garnered. There is no siphoning here. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which brings me to a final point on the myth of metrics. How do you quantify the value of being associated with a prestigious publication? Cllcks are important, but in terms of a campaign, especially for the long haul, what is the value of being associated with a New York Times or, or, or? I live in Chicago where opening my daily Tribune has become an  exercise in train-wreck witnessing. At this stage in the disaster, who would *want* to be affiliated with them? Newspapers, by ceding that there was only one narrow way to measure value, lost sight of another bow in their collective quiver. Now that bow is all but broken. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Huffpo&#039;s been pretty brilliant about not only aggregating content, but harvesting that prestige. Think about it: They got a question at Obama&#039;s very first press conference?! Pretty slick... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Clearly, newspapers are in a time of radical transition, but it&#039;s not the first time. Years ago I curated a big exhibit called The Art of the Message about the evolution of the modern newspaper, which was based on a rare, rag-edition run of Tribunes from the 1870s through WWII. Recently, Maria Popova over at Brain Pickings wrote a wonderful blog about it. Warning: There&#039;s lot of art - you&#039;re going to be taking your jaw off the floor seeing what newspapers used to be capable of: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/c8t9a8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/c8t9a8&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit it spot on. Enough with the WSJ and Consumer Reports &#8220;they pay, don&#39;t they?&#8221; models. In the grand scheme of things, their subscriber bases are limited. And by restricting access to content, they limit their clout. Arguably CR is a service business altogether.</p>
<p>Full disclosure: I edit a small aggregator that focuses (very broadly) on health issues, humanitarian work and technology as it applies to both: <a href="http://www.TrackerNews.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.TrackerNews.net</a>. There are some twists. Stories are not organized by category, nor is there a standard navigation bar. Rather, headlines (breaking news, research papers, blog posts, websites, book reviews, e-books &#8211; print, audio, video) are grouped together for contextual relevance. Once stories enter the site, either on the green banner bar or in the left column, they snake up and down the columns for a few days before exiting to the archives.<br />It&#39;s a beta baby &#8211; we&#39;ll see how it works. </p>
<p>As aggregators go, TrackerNews is downright artisanal in its approach. Personally, it has been hugely liberating not to be tied to second-by-second datelines but driven by relevance. Most story links on Tracker haven&#39;t gotten broad play. But even if they had, the reality is that most people don&#39;t read or even see most stories. The trend has been to niche (give readers what they want) to a point of granular insularity. Tracker is an experiment in mix and match. Every story isn&#39;t for everybody, but that doesn&#39;t mean a certain level of awareness doesn&#39;t have value. And when the connections happen because of Tracker, they can actually be pretty significant. </p>
<p>Back the point, Tracker, like most aggregators, is delivering readers to publications, including newspapers, that might not otherwise get them. Right now, in its beta phase, there is no advertising on Tracker but so what if there was? The potential value-added is considerably more than any ad revenue garnered. There is no siphoning here. </p>
<p>Which brings me to a final point on the myth of metrics. How do you quantify the value of being associated with a prestigious publication? Cllcks are important, but in terms of a campaign, especially for the long haul, what is the value of being associated with a New York Times or, or, or? I live in Chicago where opening my daily Tribune has become an  exercise in train-wreck witnessing. At this stage in the disaster, who would *want* to be affiliated with them? Newspapers, by ceding that there was only one narrow way to measure value, lost sight of another bow in their collective quiver. Now that bow is all but broken. </p>
<p>Huffpo&#39;s been pretty brilliant about not only aggregating content, but harvesting that prestige. Think about it: They got a question at Obama&#39;s very first press conference?! Pretty slick&#8230; </p>
<p>Clearly, newspapers are in a time of radical transition, but it&#39;s not the first time. Years ago I curated a big exhibit called The Art of the Message about the evolution of the modern newspaper, which was based on a rare, rag-edition run of Tribunes from the 1870s through WWII. Recently, Maria Popova over at Brain Pickings wrote a wonderful blog about it. Warning: There&#39;s lot of art &#8211; you&#39;re going to be taking your jaw off the floor seeing what newspapers used to be capable of: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/c8t9a8" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/c8t9a8</a></p>
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